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Sri Om Jai Om...
God has given us the gift of "Buddhi" i.e. Intellect.
Let us think and understand what Nature is?
Is Nature God?
Said: Sun is a part of Nature. Water is a Part of Nature. Air is a part of Nature. Food is a Part of Nature. Sky is a Part of Nature. Earth is a part of Nature. Man and Animal is a part of Nature,etc. etc.
Can we live without Nature?
Can we learn any thing from Nature?
Is Nature the Biggest Guru?
MAY GOD THE ALLMIGHTY BLESS US ALL !!
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Permalink Reply by Johan on February 6, 2011 at 12:55am
Permalink Reply by Tarlok on February 7, 2011 at 7:24am Shri Ganeshay namah
Thanks you vinod ji for starting this very important , nice discussion.
Nature are ever changing but basic five elements of nature are Pavan (air) ,pani (water), mitti (earth),agni (fire),akash (sky) remain intact.some how human are polluted it but still we are living in it.
Theses five elements are very essential in spiritual line as per hindu Shasta and astatus of devta (god) given to each.
Before starting any puja in hindu shastra
There are great respect to this five element are given and without doing puja of this five element no puja is started.
Water and agni (fire) are essential and mandatory in all puja ,havan,etc.
In each religion fire is use in different way ,like candle,deepak, etc.fire is symbol soul of god as fire is totally pure and we call god while we performing any puja.
This five element play a big role in communication of us with god.
Once we leave this world our all part of body and soul merge in this five element of nature.
Om Namha shivay.
Permalink Reply by Johan on February 7, 2011 at 11:54am Hello Tarlok, yes it was very nice of Mr. Bhasin to start such a stimulating discussion that provides opportunities for us to share and learn together.
Yes, we require the cooperation of the five elements. As such, they are remembered with great sacred respect - as you point out. But, while we remember to respect the elements at times of worship, they are not being respected by us at other times. Is human pollution not severely contaminating the air, water, earth, and sky or are the element now immune to the effects of pollution or will the merging process renew the elements?
You also suggest that when the soul leaves the body and world behind, it too merges with the elements. is the soul then a physical entity? If the soul merges then are you suggesting it is not eternal but a temporary or mundane phenomena? I had understood that God is the purifier of all souls. If I understand you correctly, then would not be the case . . . or am I simply not understanding what you say?
Thank you for sharing your ideas.
Permalink Reply by Tarlok on February 6, 2011 at 10:05pm Om shri Ganeshay namaha
Sat shri akal Vinod ji.
As per hindu shastra our body is made from Panch tatva (five element) Pavan (air) ,pani (water), mitti (earth),agni (fire),akash (sky).and we all can see and feel with a open eyes.Hanumanji also called pavan putra. In hindu shastra For water a Varun deva, For air a Pavan deva ,for sky Brahma ji for earth a Sheshnag .
This also supported by gurbani from Granth shahib on famous sabad .
pavan guroo paanee pitaa maataa Dharat mahat.
Air is the Guru, Water is the Father, and Earth is the Great Mother of all.
divas raat du-ay daa-ee daa-i-aa khaylai sagal jagat.
Day and night are the two nurses, in whose lap all the world is at play.
chang-aa-ee-aa buri-aa-ee-aa vaachai Dharam hadoor.
Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.
karmee aapo aapnee kay nayrhai kay door.
According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.
jinee naam Dhi-aa-i-aa ga-ay maskat ghaal.
Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows
naanak tay mukh ujlay kaytee chhutee naal. ||1||
-O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1||
Permalink Reply by amit on February 7, 2011 at 9:38am yes nature is biggest guru for me.i have learned a lot from nature.
thx
om shanti om
Permalink Reply by BONYA BASU on February 7, 2011 at 11:12am NATURE is the biggest GURU.....all the intelligence is existing in the nature.....what we explore its very small part of it....Change is always there in nature...its ever changing and DYNAMIC...One thing behind these changes and responsible for dynamism is CONSTANT(energy)....which can not be destroyed.
So if you go deep into the phenomenon..you will find the mystry....that is so profound and beautiful...at the same time which is so perfect and absolute naturally....but one must have that QUEST and LOVE to know all about......
Thanks for sharing.....
Permalink Reply by Tarlok on February 8, 2011 at 10:15am
Thanks to all for supporting this topic with healthy discussion which effect the entire living things on universe.
Thanks to vinod ji to bring this core topic for discussion in the forum.
Out of this five elements fire is main elements .I found a very interesting information from one website about fire a source of energy in support of this discussion i would like to share it with all .
Fire has been used in religious rites and symbolism for hundreds of years; with the main image of the smoke from the fire disperses into the heavens. Fire is one of the four classical elements: air, earth, fire and water, as well as one of the five in the Chineese elements.
In Hinduism, fire is one of five sacred elements of which all living creatures are comprised and is considered an eternal witness essential to sacred religious ceremonies.
In Christianity, fire is a symbol of the Holy Ghost and is often used in many descriptions of Hell.
In the Zoroastrian religion, fire is constantly used to represent Ahura Mazda, or God of the Zoroastrians, including the fire at Yazda, whihc has been burning for over two millennia.
In the Calcinatio religion, fire is important because of the fire operation in the art of alchemy.

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Fire is universally associated with the sun and light, but also with the hearth and home. In Buddha’s teachings, light is the symbol of truth that dispels the darkness of ignorance. As a flame can pass from one candle to another, so too can truth be passed. As an icon for enlightenment, this Golden Fire is artistically mounted on a black painted wooden platform and finished in 22-karat gold-leaf and is pictured here on top of our wooden stool with bamboo finish.
Symbolism of FIRE found in the Zoroaster Religion:
Fire, The Symbol Of God
People believe that the religion of Zoroaster was fire-worship. This is a mistake. "Do not say that the Iranians were fire-worshippers. They were worshippers of one God." These are the utterances of the great Firdusi. Fire is a sacred and supreme symbol of God. It is a sacred symbol in the Avesta. Fire is considered as the son of Ahura Mazda. The prophet of Iran did not teach fire-worship. He taught the worship of the one Supreme Lord of the universe, Ahura Mazda. Fire is the symbol of divine in all sacrifices. It is a sacred object. It is the symbol of divine life. It is the sacred symbol most reverenced by the Zoroastrians of today.
In every religion, fire has been the symbol of the Supreme Lord. Brahman is fire in Hinduism. Ahura Mazda is fire. The Jews worship their God as a pillar of fire. The Christians declare that their God is a consuming fire. Fire symbolised the brilliance of the Lord. It is purifying. Fire stands for effulgence, illumination. The worship of Agni or Fire comes in the Vedas also. In the Bible it is said, "God is light." Upanishads declare "Brahman is Jyotirmaya (full of light)." In every religion fire finds a place in rituals. Fire brings the message that God is Light of lights. Zoroaster himself held Fire in great sanctity as a noble gift from God. He summoned Fire from the sky and pointed it to heaven. The Heavens burst into fire. Some of the flames darted downwards and fired the altar at his side. Sacred fire in the altar of a temple is a symbol that reminds the Parsee of the glory of Ahura Mazda. It is called Atar in the Avesta.
Fire is declared to be the most helpful of all the spiritual intelligences or archangels. He is the most friendly. He comes down from Ahura Mazda. He is acquainted with all heavenly secrets.
The Jews received for the first time the ideas of heaven and hell, of angels and archangels of Messiah, of the resurrection and the last day of judgment from Zoroastrianism. These have laid the foundation to the doctrines of Christianity and Islam also.
(http://www.dlshq.org/religions/zoroastrianism.htm)
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Chineese Symbolism: FIRE
Traditionally, fire has represented the active and masculine or the Yang of Chinese symbolism. Its major symbolism is related to the sun and the powers of transformation and purification. Its basic movement is upward rather than downward like water. Traditionally, the basic symbol for fire is an upward pointing triangle or pyramid. Colors of fire are the advancing colors of red and orange and the aspects of fire are flames and rays. Whereas water has different states related to movement or rest fire is always moving and consuming.
The place of fire in natural systems is represented by deserts and mountains. The deserts symbolize the quality dryness and heat associated with fire and the mountains symbolize the upward pyramid shape of fire. Similar to the element of fire which they represent, deserts have tradionally been associated with purification. Elements of place symbolism associated with fire is day time and specifically noon when the sun's light and heat is the greatest. The association with the sun makes fire an above space phenomena rather than a below or within space phenomena. A natural phenomena which represents fire is lightning, and the phenomenom of fire out of control is symbolized by the forest fire.
There is an interesting relationship of fire with the symbolic place of Paradise. In An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, J.C. Cooper discusses the origin of the expression "baptism by fire." The term is associated with an experience which restores primordial purity by burning away the dross of life by passing through fire to regain Paradise. Since Paradise was lost it has been surrounded by fire or protected by guardians with swords of flame. These guards and their fire symbolize understanding barring the way to the ignorant or the unenlighteded.
To Gaston Bachelard, fire holds a central place in the experience of mankind. In Psychoanalysis of Fire he notes that "fire has been an occasion for unforgettable memories" and that there is a "...slightly hypnotized condition, that is surprisingly constant in all fire watchers." This hypnotized condition is related to a state of "reverie":
"...the reverie in front of the fire, the gentle reverie that is conscious of its well-being, is the most naturally centered reverie. It may be counted among those which best hold fast to their object or, if one prefers, to their pretext."
To Bachelard, fire is the prime element of reverie. "If fire," he says, "was taken to be a constituent element of the Universe, is it not because it is an element of human thought, the prime element of reverie?" It is almost certain, Bachelard says, that "fire is precisely the first object, the first phenomenon, on which the human mind reflected." Interestingly enough, a number of modern observers have compared television to fire calling it the "electronic fireplace."
Bachelard writes about the surprising dichotomies of fire. "Among all phenomena," he notes, "it is really the only one to which there can be so definitely attributed the opposing values of good and evil. It shines in Paradise. It burns in hell. It is gentleness and torture. It is cookery and it is apocalypse."
Fire is also related to the process of change. Bachelard notes that slow change is defined by the process of life and quick change is explained by the process of fire. As he notes "fire suggests the desire to change, to speed up the passage of time, to bring all life to its conclusion, to its hereafter." In this sense, all that changes slowly can be explained by life while all that changes quickly can be explained by fire." As Bachelard says, "through fire everything changes." Bachelard reminds us that when we want everything changed we call on fire.
http://www.symbolism.org/writing/books/sp/7/p
Permalink Reply by Ravish Gopal Daway on February 7, 2011 at 11:12am Yes Vinodji,
Your Question is Right. The Nature is nothing but the Nirakar form of God, and as it is said the human Body has all the elements of Nature in it, So we made HIS picture in the HUman form thats called Sakaar form of God. English say God is Omnipresent, Hindus say Kan Kan mein Bhagwan, this aspect clearly means other than Nature nothing is Omnipresent or in Kan Kan..
Kabir Dasji said..Kasturi Kundal Basey Mrug Dhoonde ban maahi, Aise Ghat Ghat Ram hai duniya dekhai naahi..
now whatever is their in each one of us, can dwell in our body till it is supplied with Oxygen, the moment we Stop Breathing the unknown part that keeps us alive leaves the body and we are known as Dead. So
whats that which needs support of Oxygen? thats subtle energy which requires the support of Bigger energy that is present in Nature which is nothing else but GOD.
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Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on February 8, 2011 at 10:09pm Sri Om Jai Om...
God is the creator of Nature. So He is in Nature and above the Nature being Creator Himself.
Man is a part of the Nature alone. Let us think why God created the Nature and what Nature is doing for us? We have Nature working inside us too (called Swabhav).
On enquiry we find the entire Nature is complementing and supplementing the survival or life.
The entire nature has a common attribute or quality of giving us some thing without any expectations in return? Are we working in consonance with Nature being part of it or working against the Law of Nature?
Are we doing some thing in return? What is our Duty toward Nature? Let us ponder.
Sun is giving Life. It also gives Light for free and we can do a lot of useful activity.
Air is giving us life for free and to all other species. Without air we cannot survive.
Earth is giving us food. We call Earth as Mother even who cares for our upbringing in life. We cannot survive otherwise.
Water is essential for our survival. Nature is giving us that for free.
Trees are taking our bad air (carbon) and giving us fresh air and life. And, that for Free.
Animals are eating our Waste?
Some Animals give us milk. Cow is Mother for newly born and all of us.
The poison of Snake is used in many medicines and used for human survival.
Like this we see the entire nature is giving some thing for our survival. And that also for free or without any expectation. The word giving is most pivotal for us to learn from nature.
Let us examine if we have the nature of giving to others or only taking some thing from any one or every one including Nature. Think of Selfishness or Asur Bhav in this context? We will find Demons or Asuras are always selfish and demanding and not giving any thing by themselves.
That is what we learn from Ramayana or Ram Leela; Krishna Leela, Asur Vadh (Killing) by Durga, etc. Are we able to identify our Asuras inside our own body and kill them? Living with Asuras will not allow us to be pure to reach God.
Besides examining Nature we can learn a lot from closely watching plants, trees, animals, birds, insects, air, water, mountain, etc. etc. So Nature does take the role of Guru or Teacher from whom we can learn a lot.
Some saint concluded "Controlling Mind is Like Killing a Mosquito". He learnt it while watching the troubles created by a Mosquito. It is an art how to kill a mosquito he found. Same way he found one can control the mind which wavers a lot like a mosquito.
Let us, therefore, ponder how the nature is functioning and what it is doing? How it is helping the survival of Man? Can we learn some thing from Nature?
Now about Fire. Fire is Power. God is Allmighty too. God is Light, full of knowledge and wisdom. So we pray Fire keeping this feeling in our heart and mind. This is so among all religions, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Parsis, etc. They all put Candles, Fire, Jyot or Small Light. In all functions we put Light to show our Happines, Joy and God's blessings. Any thing put in fire gets purified, we find. So to get and endeavour to be purified we adore Fire.
May God Bless us to share and care for each other so as we enlighten ourselves more and more !!
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