IS ATAM GYAN NOT FOR ALL?

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Permalink Reply by Tarlok on November 17, 2011 at 10:59am

uom shree ganeshay namaha. as per destiny person get atma gyan.all have different destiny so from same guru all shishya get different gyan and different position in life. jai sai ram.

Permalink Reply by Arvind Kothari on November 22, 2011 at 4:33pm

Dear Sri Tarlokji,

Namaste.

It is better that we do not bring the destiny factor here. Otherwise, there is no point in discussing the topic at all. Also destiny is there but we do not know what is your and my destiny.

Secondly, Guru gives the same Gyan to all, but due the recepivity and the capacity, different persons will digest the same gyan differently.

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 22, 2011 at 8:44pm

Just MEDITATE

Know that you are co-creater.

Know that you are God's offspring.

All scriptures say this only.

Due to the understanding level difference, we vary in knowledge.

Being a MEDITATOR refine yourself that " WE ARE THE CREATERS OF OUR OWN DESTINY ".

At the 'Hall of memory' at the immediate astral level and when you go in 'SOULFORM'

after shedding your body you will be shown your pre plan in video format which you only

prepared under guidance,you will be shown your actual performance in earth,you will be

given suggestions where you deviated,what and how to plan your next incarnation,how and

when to select your parents (To wait for availability),etc..etc.and you are the only creater

of your destiny.But ofcourse there will be guides in higher frequency than you to help you.

 

SATHYA DEVO BHAVA 

 

Permalink Reply by Arvind Kothari on November 17, 2011 at 8:25pm

In India even a child uses the word Atma. He says, " this person who has died, his Atma has taken a new birth." If you really simplify, to know that you are not this body-mind complex but body-mind free Atma is "ATMA-GYAN".

I am "Atma" is Atma-gyan.

According to me, every body must be taught without exception that he is "Atma" right from the childhood. It will save him from all sorts of fears and also the ultimate fear of death.

Permalink Reply by Kriyananda Maharshi Dayananda on November 22, 2011 at 4:14pm

Yeah, whatever quoted or explained in our holy books are for a good reason and development of entire human society. Just take an example, if you serve the very delicious food to a person who is not hungry or does not want to eat yet if you insist to have some thing the then obviously, he will take it uninterestingly which will neither make him happy nor he will be benefited of it. If he had unwillingly then also it will come out of belly as vomit so your delicious food will go useless which will make you feel uncomfortable and regret eventually.  

On the other hand, if you feed some who is hungry from many days the then food will be receiving heaven like for him who will eat completely with full interest which benefits he will get and become happy and it will not be useless and you get satisfaction from within. Therefore, both the giver and taker are happy in this way.

Likewise, if you give the (Atama Gyan/Brahma Gyana) or spiritual knowledge to an incompetent fellow then either he will misuse it or go in waste.

In my understanding Atama Gyana is for all human and not meant for a few, not at all yet it depends upon his fate which trails to his present life and the reason behind quoting "Gyan Usko Dein; Jo Gyan Ka Adhikari Hai" is to save this great knowledge from such person who may use them for inhumanity works after getting it. That it is all about and hence it is designed Guru-Sisya Parampara because Guru knows every thing if he is a real guru.

The most important thing behind this quote is a (Brahmagyani/Atamagyani/Tatwagyani) scholar of The Spiritual Knowledge, if suppose he becomes proud after having such power then he may use for his own self only and if he becomes more selfish then convert his gross body in a subtle body before his death as he knows through Brahmagyana and able to know how to become immortal through it so he may enter into the body of other person and use his body as per his wish then it will be very dangerous for the society and the person who is being used. The one of the names of gyana is Parkaya Parvesh, which had been used once by our legend Param Pujya Adadh Sankaracharya for a reason to get experience of married life (Grihasta Jeevan). Spiritually it is one of the reasons to quote above saying.

Even though beside the above mentioned Gyana, at present there are so many others spiritual practices in our societies which are inhumanities and at its climax human became devil like because the wiser and clever are involved much in such deeds using such great knowledge. Just take another example, the power of arms, ammunition and many of the scientific developments are being used for destructive works even knowing that they are doing wrong which will destroy the nature and human and it proves the above quote.

 

Kriyananda Maharshi Dayananda

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on November 25, 2011 at 10:36am

Sri Om Jai Om...

Thanks very much for the noble contributions.

 

May I however request :

 

Let us focus and ponder on the Question in the context of What is written in Bhagwat to understand the concept of Atam Gyan.

 

I would further request to think :

 

Whether one can even speak to a person who is running. If that is not possible how can Atam Gyan be passed on to the people in general.

 

For Atam Gyan a relationship between a realized soul and the one who seeks realization is a must. This relationship is the foundation for getting Atam Gyan.

 

Let us keep our mind and heart open.

 

Let us cleanse our mind and heart so that the pure Gyan goes inside us.

 

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by SHARAD SHAH on June 12, 2012 at 6:21pm

Is water for all? Is food for all? Water is for thirsty and Food is for hungry. Similarly Atam Gyan is also for the seekers, the real thirsty. It is not for others, who do not have thirst but pretend to be thirsty.

As such the situation is reverse. The Sat-Guru who have attained the Atam Gyan is searching a genuine person to whom he can give Atam Gyan. And surprisingly Sat-Guru is ready to take any sort of risk, if he finds a single thirsty person. He waits for such a person for years to gather and when he find him capable he pour as much as possible.

Same is the case of Krishna and Arjun. When Krishna finds on the war field that Arjun is now ready, he poured Gita Gyan, the ultimate height of Atam Gyan. But remember That Gyan is for Arjun not for us. We are not ready for it. we can read Gita, we can remember Gita and can repeat it verbatim, but the essence is always missing.It will be a TOTA RATANA only. nothing else.

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on June 12, 2012 at 8:20pm

Sri Om Jai Om...

Thanks very much for your contribution and understand on the subject which is highly appreciable.

 

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Arvind Kothari on June 13, 2012 at 2:33pm

All the world-teachers like Swami Vivekananda or Paramahansa Yoganada keep on teaching us that "Know thyself and you will know Him." and keep on urging each one of us as to how important it is know one's own self in order to experience peace, joy and bliss. They keep on telling us that the Atma-Gyan is a must and is not at all difficult and is for each one of us.

Sri Krishna starts Gita by announcing that you are not this body or mind but eternal and unchangable Atman in the very second chapter. If it is not for all and difficult, he would not have done so at all.

Permalink Reply by Arvind Kothari on June 13, 2012 at 10:52pm

If one does not know HIS OWN NATURE, the basic premise will be wrong and due to this his decision making as to what to live for and how to live will be wrong.

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on June 14, 2012 at 3:13pm

Sri Om Jai Om...

Thanks for your contributions.

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Arvind Kothari on June 15, 2012 at 11:40am

To learn that the way most of the persons usually think and live is identifying with their body+mind and it does not tally with the reality. The reality is that there is rebirth and you are Atman which keeps on taking rebirth. This knowledge itself is a big leap in development of consciousness. The unconscious fear of death dies down. Then you learn that whatever is happening with you in this life has a past link and also has a future link too. This reality tallies with the Law of Karma and from here arises  your moral values that you will inevitably reap the rewards of all good or bad actions exactly and at exact times. This will be the basis of your morality and values in life.

So to learn the reality of Atman is the basic first step of developing the right philosophy of life and so extremely essential for each and every human being and so Atmagyan  is basic and must be for All!

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