IS ATAM GYAN NOT FOR ALL?

Sri Om Jai Om...

Bhagwat Gita says :

"Gyan Usko Dein; Jo Gyan Ka Adhikari Hai".

That means Gyan should be passed on or given to those who deserve.

We all read Bhagwat Gita.

We do also like it.

But the question is why Gyan (Atam Gyan) is meant for a few as per Bhagwat Gita?

Why Lord Krishna says that?

Let us discuss this vital question on the Spiritual Path.

May God Bless !!

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Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 16, 2011 at 8:50pm

WHO AM I I AM ATHMA BRAHMA

Poojya Bhasinji

Please mension the chapter and verse number in Bhagavathgeetha.

The meaning must be clearly understood i feel.

Sathya devo bhava

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on November 17, 2011 at 4:29pm

Sri Om Jai Om...

Panduji

I trust you must have read Bhagwat Gita.

I am unable to quote the Chapter and Verse pl.

However I have read in the Gita "Shradhavanam Labhyate Gyanam". So one must have the belief and Faith before one can have Atam Gyan. Any Sat Guru only would see this aspect in a Shishya before giving him the Atam Gyan.

Secondly, I do also wish to state that in Bhagwat Gita Lord Krishna himself says to Arjuna that he has to go to Spiritual Practitioner i.e. Guru and ask for Gyan with folded hands and then alone it will be given to you.

Thirdly, we do all know that there is an Element of Prarabadh i.e. a person has done some spiritual practice but failed to attain the Goal i.e. God and he is the one who pursues the path to reach the Goal. Such a person is entitled for the Atam Gyan.

Fourthly, I do know from Bhagwat Gita that only one who is a Jigyasu i.e. a keen Shishya is to be given Atam Gyan or else it will go that the Gyan Amrit will go waste. Gita also explains that few among few will alone reach Him i.e. God.

Fifthly, I would like you to please go through Ashtavakar Gita where the principle of "Patrata" is well explained and it alone relates to entitlement of a Man for Atam Gyan.

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 17, 2011 at 6:44pm

Dear poojya Bhasinji

Will a mother leave a prodigal son among other sons let go in his own way,instead

she will concentrate upon this son and his upliftment bearing all the illtreatments

from elsewhere from her near and dear.Her goal and sacrifice is only to correct and

uplift him.Though she fail in her lifetime the prodigal son keeps this in heart and get

himself corrected in due course painfully keeping his mother's sacrifice in mind.

Do you say the mother had lost,but definitely she won.

Similarly scriptures are always scriptures enlightening us in every aspect.

Lord keeps the path open for lowest and downtrodden in all possible ways.

Say he creates sins in fastest way,make the downtrodden experience this and redeem

himself in shortest period of time.OSHO had taught this only.The 2012 happening is

of such nature.All Mahagurus arrives on earth.Cares for every down trodden soul,

prepares every plan to uplift them creating sparks specifically for them in which they

can turn around.Our Pssm GURU use to advise us MEDITATORS not to judge others

as we are specks from GOD himself in his own image.We know everything but the

ashes cover the flame not visible outside.

A half naked MOM at bathstone made Gandhi to give away his additional cloth to that

MOM wowing not to wear extras anymore,instead use it to poor and downtrodden.

Is that MOM'S incarnation not blessed,instead that MOM'S incarnation is utter necesity.

Bhagavath geetha is not only for those having belief and faith in it.but also for the

future believers of it.

Say Swamy VIVEKANENDA was an athiest wandering in asking can anyone seen GOD

until he fell on the golden hands of RAMAKRISHNA PARAMAHAMSA who sparked him the

turn around.

Hence ATHMA GYAN IS FOR ALL.

I BELIVE ME ALSO IN DOWNTRODDEN CONDITION,BUT I BELIEVE NOW I AM A

VERY SPECIAL INCARNATION IN THESE TIME OF DEMAND,as Miracles are going

to happen in this one year.

I humbly and Kindly request you to scrap and wipeout the thought of not for all.

SATYA DEVO BHAVA

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on November 22, 2011 at 10:20pm

Sri Om Jai Om...

Thanks very much for your kind response and views, Panduji.

There is a saying "You can take the Donkey to the Water, but you cannot make it Drink Water".

So how can a realized soul pass on Atam Gyan to the one who is not interested to take it. Even a realized soul will not waste his time and effort with a foolish man. Guru Vani says the same thing "Moorkh Naal Na Lujiye".

Secondly, to explain the above I may add The Water from the Tap is flowing but if the bucket is upside down how can it be filled. One has therefore to go for self correction on his own before he can follow a realized soul Sat Guru or a Scripture like Bhagwat Gita.

The taste of the pudding is int its eating, we do all know.

Wishing you all the best in your spiritual advancement.

In my personal learning and experience I believe as Kabir Sahib said "Ek Ke Sadhe Sabh Sadhe; Sabh Ke Sadhe Na Koei" and that is we should be concerned with our our self correction and spiritual advancement rather than to worry for others. If any one, however, comes to us to get spiritual guidance, we may pass on to the extent possible.

We must be concerned that we do follow the path our ownself and should always keep before us the goal of our life to reach God in this very life. That is most important and essential in my humble learning and experience, please.

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 23, 2011 at 12:33am

Judge a not

- jesus

is the theme.

Because 'The formless in the form' we discuss is a fire cake in itself with ashes

fully encircled so as not to reveal the fire.

The formless in the form of our body is he himself 'The ATHMAN'.

It is a blasphemy that he is different other than formless.But 'He is that'/

"THATHWAMASI",

At the most we have to fan away the ashes,we have to teach him

'you too are the formless' what the scriptures attempt to reveal.Let him come

sooner or latter,it is not our bothering.But we should make a sincere attempt

to rear him also along withus. He may not be upto mark.But he ought to come

to mark of his own accord.He being GOD'S seed himself,he will come.

I appretiate your decision we should be concerned with our self correction

and spiritual advancement rather than to worry for others.

This being a selfish mode.

However there is a selfless mode every enlightened soul have to perform is

we do follow the path of our ownself and should always keep before us the

goal of our life to reach God elevating others too whatever possible way

we must employ like Hindu Mahagurus (Swamy vivekananda,Yogananda

Paramahamsa,Maharishi Mahesh yogi) gone worldwide and preached.

SATHYA DEVO BHAVA

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on November 23, 2011 at 10:29am

Sri Om Jai Om...

Panduji

In spiritual attainment, one has to follow one path or one Guru.

Your good honor has talked of various Mahagurus. Kindly understand that they were realized souls with the blessings of their Gurus and following the path. They first awakened themselves. One may call them selfish.

I do agree 100 per cent with you that one has to be selfless and not selfish. But if one does not survive by himself how can he help others. Therefore, I have to survive or I have to be Jeevan Mukt first before I liberate other souls.

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 23, 2011 at 3:19pm

Love all and love you particularly Bhasinji.

My Guru tested me initially,when we both met i told him i am waiting for

my Guru may be you,he told me i am waiting for you also,i being blessed.

He asked me about the instances he imposed upon me as test.

I confirmed yes.I am not travelling in the spiritual path just like that but

with clear intension and guidance.After i came to this PSSM,and started

MEDITATION i was altogether made to change and was as a Master now.

(Raja yogi and inching towards Rishi/Maharishi and to open up my 3rd.eye)

Our GURU use to say " MY DEAR FRIENDS,MY DEAR MASTERS AND MY

DEAR GODS ".But you may say What? are we GODS? " but we say

yes,we are Gods.Study 'vishva roopam' in Bhagavath geetha.

He gives us clear proof how we are GODS.He guided more than a lakh

to open up their 3rd.eye which is the entry ticket to enter artral world.

You said the taste in the pudding is in the eating.

We are also eating the pudding.

Guru says every SOUL is God.Hence not to judge anyone.

Bill gates was a drop out as he could not make his studies instead

his vision was towards other area where he shown up skills and toppled

the world.Can any one say he don't know any thing,he didn't studied.

I kindly request this is not argueable subject,every student in the class

must pass out and go to next standard naturally.

In Karma yoga - 2 phases are there.

1st. phase:do karma,don't eat fellow brotherssisters.

2nd:phase:Doing karma not enough.Preach them how

so as to reach out to everyone.I also thank you being an instrument.

I am also doing the same as per my GURU'S guidelines.

In sat-jana sangarthyam we discuee about every MAHAGURUS as part

of our Gnana.Also our 3rd.eye astral wanderers input us their

experiences about Astral world which is the original house of us.

One Madam waited for 18 days and visioned Lord venkateswara in

as is where is condition as per her request.

Miracles are happening. Spiritual revolution is on.

I request you " Be part of it "

SATYA DEVO BHAVA

Permalink Reply by VINOD BHASIN on November 23, 2011 at 4:20pm

Sri Om Jai Om...

Panduji

I do respect what you say.

Please proceed ahead the way you think and have chosen.

May God Bless !!

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 23, 2011 at 5:04pm

Thank you Bhasiji

love all.

SATHYA DEVO BHAVA

Permalink Reply by Kriyananda Maharshi Dayananda on November 24, 2011 at 4:08pm

Dear Pandurangan,

It is very clear that we all living and non-living being are parts of the Almighty God yet being a soul in human do not deserve itself a God because there are various 84 Lakhs Yonis (classes) as Devta, (God), Danav (Devil), Manav (Human), Yakcha, Gandarbh, Apsara, Yogini, Kinner, Yeti, Bhoot, Preta, Betal, Pisachani, Animal, Insects etc .

They all are living their life as per their Sanchit Karma (Remaining to receive in his life) Prarabdh Karma as ritual (Trailing to Present) and Kriyaman Karma (combine of Past and Present), in this life cycle one involves for experiencing his past deeds which he did not had and got to death and take rebirth to have the fruits of his past deeds. He also does new deeds as per his intellect and receive its results too while in existing life and again it gets a rotation in his life. Most of the spiritual persons want to have salvation in his life and it is seen saying Moksch/Mukti is the aim of life, which could also be a topic to have a discussion.

In this sequence I needed to tell you the above and I must correct you here also that every soul does not deserves to be God because one becomes a God, Devil etc as per his KARMA which declare him the category he belongs. The Human Class is the only class through which a person enjoys everything in his life materially and spiritually and so on. This Human Life is the one in which even a God/Goddess takes birth to fulfill his/her desire.

Therefore, to say every soul is God looks somewhere misunderstanding on it. Every soul is part of the almighty God but not a God. It is just as a coin has two faces or good and bad, night and day. Example Lord, Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Chaitanya, Mahavir, were human first and they become lord later as per their Gyana, Kriya and Power and their uses for the development of human society. We called them Lord later after recognizing them correctly. Those who did well are called Devta (God spirit) and who did wrong/bad is called Danav (Evil Spirit) many Examples are there in past and even in present.

Yeah we vary in knowledge because each human and his thoughts are different. It is also keep in mind that we human in pride address ourselves as GOD but The Almighty does not say himself as God but we human regards them as God/Goddess as per their Karma, Power and Kriya.

It is easy to say Just Meditate but how to get the state of meditation is difficult and once one gets it then its happiness automatically comes out. If there is true faith and devotion then one real guru is enough to make his disciple like him and lacking these, thousands of gurus can neither make his disciple like them nor give you totality.

We should not run after miracles it often takes place. It is our unfortunate that we do NAMASKAR to Chamatkar only but we hardly try to do Chamatkar by ourselves.

With Love

Kriyananda Maharshi Dayananda

Permalink Reply by Pandu(Bodily),SpiritualScientist on November 24, 2011 at 11:20pm

Poojya Maharishi

Miracles are just happening as indications of change to come.

Can any one judge a lakh 3rd.eyed masters fluorish in twilight

period of so called kaliyuga.Is there any connection between them

and 1,44,000 subordinate astral beings in planet earth under

'Sapta rishis' control? Why so many negative people are

being weeded out world wide.Politics? May be fully cleaned? 's see.

Astral Mahagurus taken 'planet earth' in their hands for cleansing

and lifting to higher frequency.Instances have started to happen.